I had just the dandiest time at the Queef the other night sipping Knob Creek with none other than Mayor Jerry Brown. He's such a cool fucking guy. I feel like I've really made sumtin' of myself rubbin' elbows with such a socialite!
Tee Hee! Good times!
Tee Hee! Good times!
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Re: Bourbon with the Mayor
Thu, February 24, 2005 - 11:46 AMDid he drink Jack too? Or was he sippin on somethin more sophosticated... he was funny when Peter introduced him to me... Peter was like - this is the head of Oakland's Women's wrestling! And Jerry was like ... oh that's nice and kind of half looked exhasperated with all the freaks he has to deal with bein the mayor of Oaktown and friends with Peter and all and he then started talking to Peter again and that was my brief interaction... sigh
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Thu, February 24, 2005 - 12:00 PMScarey how real he is, eh? It's nice to see him pop into a place CVK and just chill.
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Re: Bourbon with the Mayor
Thu, February 24, 2005 - 1:40 PMBut how real *is* Jerry Brown? He's supposed to be liberal and yet one of his first acts as mayor was to set up a publicly funded military academy.
He was all about neighborhoods and the dynamism of urban life, and yet he's teamed up with junk condo honcho Joe O'Donohue (the guy who ruined SF by putting junk condos right next to night clubs). This has resulted in over 5000 apartments being built in Oakland.
So, don't be surprised if Cafe Van Kleef one day has to shut down due to noise complaints from some condo Jerry's friend has put up next door or across the street.
Also, don't be lured by celebrity. Nasty people are celebrities, too.
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Thu, February 24, 2005 - 10:44 PMyou prolly don't know sugarbunni dude- she doesn't really give a shit about all that stuff- if Jerry pulled any shit with her she'd have him in a headlock so fast even dear old Mother Theresa wouldn't be able to tell him what was coming. At the end of the day- it's nice to know that dirty politicians drink whisky too. And that they are drinking at Cafe Van Kleef with all of us lowly little commoners... puh-leeze- he would NEVER have my Queefy shut down- there would be divine intervention from the FFFF if that happened. Besides he loves Peter too much like the rest of us. -
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Thu, February 24, 2005 - 11:21 PMYeah, regardless of politics he's just a cool fuckin' guy. And, if he wasn't I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time talking to him much less drinking with him. -
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Thu, February 24, 2005 - 11:49 PMCoolness is more than just being a good drinking buddy.
I'm sorry, but Jerry's pal, Joe O'Donohue has nearly ruined San Francisco nightlife. And Jerry's goal is to add 10,000, that's ten THOUSAND new condos to downtown Oakland before his term is up. It's just a question of time before the noise complaints begin.
As someone who absolutely LOVES going out to hear music, Jerry Brown is the anti-Christ as far as I'm concerned.
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Thu, February 24, 2005 - 11:55 PMYeah, well opinions are like assholes.... -
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 12:36 AM"Also, don't be lured by celebrity. Nasty people are celebrities, too."
The only celebrity I'm interested in at the bar is: Peter (he pours) and Jack (I drink).
Also I may only be a celebrity when I'm drunk, but I am ALWAYS nasty dammit.
"We may be DRUNK but we are SERIOUS" - The FFFF
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 8:19 AMDo you have any links or articles about this? 10,000 condos seems like an awful lot of space to tie up. Do they have the land or buildings yet? Is there that much of a need? Nobody who is in this for the money would build something without there being a pressing need for it. I don't see a pressing need for 10,000 condos in downtown Oakland. I'm not saying you're wrong, it just seems a little exaggerated. -
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 8:47 AMJerry Brown has always engendered extremely strong opinions, from the time he was Governor to his current stint. His attempts to "revitalize" areas of Oakland should be admired; considering the corruption that marked Oakland in past administrations.
Affordable housing, maybe even that dreaded concept of "owning" one's domicile should be emraced istead of falling prey to that NIMBY attitude that is so disdainful when coming from the "I got mine" crowd.
Instead of whining that less venues for music will occur if Jerry is left to his devices, why not enter into a "communication" with the Mayor over these concerns.
Jerry Brown's "chameleon politics" will certainly flush; after all, he is a politician and wants to be liked by everyone.
He might even take into consideration how to keep these venues that are "disappearing" because of housing.
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 11:17 AMAll I can say is what happened in San Francsico. When O'Donohue's junk condos went in South of Market, the newcomer condo owners challenged the operating permits of Holy Cow, Brainwash, the Up and Down Club, the Eagle, Trocadero, the End Up, and others.
As a result, the owner of the Trocadero simply closed up shop and moved to New York, Brainwash had severe operating restrictions placed on it (and Susan Shindler, the owner got so disgusted she sold the business).
Holy Cow spent tens of thousands of dollars fighting bogus noise claims and now can't afford to be open more than a few nights a week. (They can't afford to lose money on the slow nights anymore.)
The Up and Down I think went bankrupt or something.
The End Up nearly lost its license, and I think it is only perserverence with lots of court filings that has delayed its demise.
The Eagle can no longer have live music outside on their stage because of noise complaints from next door, which is why bands have to play inside where the pool table is. And even so, they STILL get noise complaints.
Can such a thing happen to Cafe Van Kleef? You bet.
Just warning you guys. This is my last post on the subject. You do as you please.
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 9:44 AMI'd like to see some support for these accusations too. 10,000 condos is the target for the Oakland revitalization project. O'Donohue has few real ties to Jerry Brown. It's possible you've confused your cities and Browns, as Willie was in fact in bed with this guy.
Oh yeah, those 10k condos will produce another 300k of Oakland city revenue for projects like the Telegraph Boulevard and Street light deal. Ask Peter about it. He thought it was a great thing last I checked.
This isn't the Oakland Politics tribe, but I think most long time residents will agree that downtown Oakland HAS improved in the time JB has been in office. I don't agree with everything he's done, and some residential areas have been hurt (I don't believe E Harris would have stepped in for these folks). This will happen with just about any politician.
I think things are better with Jerry Brown than they could have been without him.
With regards to music, you've got the Fox doing shows the Metro and Eli's back open for business. I'm not saying JB was involved in any of this, but music seems to be doing ok under JB's reign.
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 12:50 PMWow Sugar! Good Job! Finally some freeking discussion going on in this tribe... jeez it's been a while! It's always like "Mark Growden is playing tonight - he's amazing" or "I paid too much or my drink" or "Why do those two girls scream so loud every time they come here"
Finally- a refreshing stimulating topic.
And to think it allllllllll started with bourbon.
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Fri, February 25, 2005 - 1:02 PMDoesn't it always :)
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Mon, February 28, 2005 - 9:02 AMhmmm, it sure gave me the heebies when he was wandering
around teh vulcan one fine sunday afternoon. asking us about
our houses and landlords and stuff. maybe hes ok i dont know.
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Mon, February 28, 2005 - 11:11 AMUnderstood. If you own, it's more difficult for them.
After ?? years of stagnation, I just see a boatload of improvement to the downtown/Jack London area in the last 8.
It's nice to see live music on south of the Highway on Broadway (metro), it's good to see places popping up in downtown Oakland (CVK/Luka's/etc).
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Mon, February 28, 2005 - 2:30 PMThere has been music and other entertainment in Oakland all along. Thing is, most *white* folks don't know where to look.
Sorry to break it to people, but Oakland hasn't just gotten "fixed"; it's had culture all along, and plenty of it. (People are forgetting hip-hops's roots in Oakland?)
It's only that now there is "white entertainment" in Oakland, so the white folks suddenly feel that Oakland has "arrived".
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Mon, February 28, 2005 - 4:09 PMThe return of Eli's is a good thing. If ya really want to make it a white/black thing feel free...but it's not. -
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Wed, March 2, 2005 - 3:14 AMWhat I'm getting at is that people are talking as if Oakland just woke up and suddenly there is nightlife. There has been nightlife all along, but it's been around places like Sweet Jimmie's, the Stork Club, Smitty's, etc. There's also been daylife as well. How many people here have ever been to Lois the Pie Queen?
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Re: Bourbon with the Mayor
Mon, February 28, 2005 - 3:04 PMI moved into the Jack London area almost three years ago. Right now, there are something like four new developments going up within a few blocks of me.
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Tue, March 1, 2005 - 12:03 AMfyi, the mayor's 10k plan was/is? 10k *residents* in downtown, which translates into about 6,000 units of housing.
as far as i know (which admittedly ain't that far,) o'donohue is not currently one of the active developers in oakland. i know that he came through here some years back, but i don't know that he bought any land / started any projects.
i heard him speak recently... not at all what i expected.
the big downtown ("uptown") project is the forest city development between 19th & 20th.
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Wed, March 2, 2005 - 1:08 PMThis 10k thing is not just hearsay. I was reading about BART's development plans for Lake Merrit station, and the 10k goal was mentioned. As Hyland clarified it is for 10,000 residents, not units. I have to say, if you care about all this stuff, you should really get involved. Go to planning meetings, go to Council meetings, and vote! Oakland is doin' okay so far, and we can keep it that way.
And in response to the talk about music in Oakland, there are fuckloads of shows every week, at bars in dowtown and warehouses in west and east o. Check out 21 Grand and Eli's and Oaklandish...the list goes on and on.
I love Oakland.
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